January 28th, 2007 -- GILBERT, Az
1:30-2:00am : Jackie talked to Jonathan on phone. Jonathan asked Jackie to meet him at Diamond Shamrock at Val Vista and Williamsfield Rd. Jonathan "appeared to be" drunk.
2:00am: Met at Diamond Shamrock supposed to go to Monica’s house (one of Jackie's friends) but said they are going to Lazy Q on Baseline and Gilbert Rd.
3:30am: Jackie called Randi (her sister) to be picked up at Diamond Shamrock.
3:35am: Incoming call from Jonathan to Jackie’s cell phone.
3:36am: Jackie talked to Randi.
4:44am: Jackie told Randi they were lost on San Tan Parkway subdivision and will be back in 15 mins. (Jackie possibly sounded coerced into saying that). Then handed the phone to Jonathan to clarify location.
9:30am: Rancher saw truck off Beeline hwy north of Phoenix area.
11:05am: Jonathan called Jackie’s voicemail from Dobson and Baseline area. Possibly to listen or erase messages.
12:00pm: Randi came home frantic with Jonathan’s cell phone number.
4:40pm: Dave (Jackie's dad) called Jonathan and asked to meet him
5:30pm: Dave talked to Jonathan at Diamond Shamrock. Jonathan’s girlfriend (Mandi Smith) was there. Jonathan was wearing same clothes as night before, according to him & his girlfriend.
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FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY SORRY ABOUT JACKIE. I KNOW THAT THERE ARE GOOD PEOPLE DOING THEIR JOBS,AND ALOT OF GOOD VOLUNTERS, BUT WHY IS THERE NO RECORD OR REQUEST OF A SEARCH IN UNDELEVOLPED LAND SOUTH OF CHANDLER FASHION MALL IN MARICOPA COUNTY. IT IS ONLY OBVIUOS THAT THE DUMPSTER IS ABOUT 2 MILES SOUTH OF HIS RESIDENCE, AND HE WOULD HAVE TO BE GOING NORTH ON THE 101 OR PRICE RD, TO LOCATE THAT DUMPSTER. JONATHAN WAS IN JAIL, DON'T YOU THINK THAT HE LEARNED TIPS ON GETTING AWAY WITH MURDER? JONATHAN PROBALLY DID THINGS TO THROW OFF THE INVESTIGATION, KNOWING IT WOULD WORK. ONE MOMENT HE IS IN CHANDLER, GILBERT AREA, THEN HE WAS NORTH OF THE VALLEY, AND I READ, THERE IS A SEARCH IN THE FOUR PEAKS AREA. THIS GUY WAS ALL OVER THE PLACE. I HONESTLY THINK THAT THE SEARCH SHOULD GO BEYOND ELLIOT.
"2:00am: Met at Diamond Shamrock supposed to go to Monica’s house (one of Jackie's friends) but said they are going to Lazy Q on Baseline and Gilbert Rd."
-Did anyone see her at the Lazy Q? Bartender?
"9:30am: Rancher saw truck off Beeline hwy north of Phoenix area."
-Is he 100% it was Burns truck?
-Did he see the driver?
-Which direction was it heading?
-where exactly did the rancher see the truck?
"11:05am: Jonathan called Jackie’s voicemail from Dobson and Baseline area. Possibly to listen or erase messages."
- Or maybe Mandi called.
"5:30pm: Dave talked to Jonathan at Diamond Shamrock. Jonathan’s girlfriend (Mandi Smith) was there. Jonathan was wearing same clothes as night before, according to him & his girlfriend."
-If he claims to having sex with Jackie that night, was his underwear or the crotch of his pants checked for dna?
-Where did this sex act take place?
- what was Mandis reaction to this sex act, since she is his "girlfriend".
When he was in jail before, who was his cell mate? What was he in for(the cell mate.)? Murder perhaps? Is there any way to get that information?
What kind of truck?
What kind of shape is this guy in? Smoker? Drug user?
I ask because if he is out of shape, smokes, and does drugs it's not likely he could've carried her too far. Depending on the condition of his truck and tires should eliminate alot search area.
Was the tires checked for rocks? The type of rock may narrow down the area.
"2 searchers discovered truck tire track on a very rugged ATV trail that appeared to be some what old. Upon following those tracks they came to a spot where the vehicle turned around, at this location was found two words written in the sand but were unable to make out what they said. Near by a third word was found that clearly said HELP with an arrow pointing deeper into the wilderness. If the tire tracks match up with that of the suspects vehicle this would turn out to be a good lead as to where she might be."
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I AGREE WITH ABOVE POST...WE DEFINATELY NEED TO GET THE ANSWERS TO SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS. THEY COULD REALLY GET US SOMEWHERE, THE "HELP" WRITTEN IN THE DIRT? COULD BE SUPER HELPFUL IF IT WAS REALLY HER THAT WROTE IT. TONS OF PEOPLE 4X4 OUT THERE AND PARTY, WHO KNOWS IF IT WASN'T JUST SOMEONE MESSING AROUND OR HOW OLD IT IS. JONATHAN COULD HAVE EVEN WRITTEN THAT HIMSELF TO DISTRACT ALL OF US AND KEEP US CONCENTRATING ON THAT AREA. WHEN REALLY SHE IS ELSEWHERE. CLEARLY HE IS AN IDIOT AND COULDN'T HAVE DONE THAT WELL OF A JOB HIDING HER. I WILL HELP GETTING SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS ANSWERED AND SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME IDEAS. JACKIE IS GUIDING US SOMEHOW I HOPE, WE WILL FIND HER...SOON. I WILL BE VOLUNTEERING ON SATURDAY. HOPE TO SEE YOU ALL THERE!
THIS, too, is what I think happened....the HELP message was to throw off searchers.
THE "HELP" WRITTEN IN THE DIRT? COULD BE SUPER HELPFUL IF IT WAS REALLY HER THAT WROTE IT. TONS OF PEOPLE 4X4 OUT THERE AND PARTY, WHO KNOWS IF IT WASN'T JUST SOMEONE MESSING AROUND OR HOW OLD IT IS. JONATHAN COULD HAVE EVEN WRITTEN THAT HIMSELF TO DISTRACT ALL OF US AND KEEP US CONCENTRATING ON THAT AREA. WHEN REALLY SHE IS ELSEWHERE.
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I think the ONLY thing that links him with the Beeline Hwy/Four Peaks area is because he made a cell phone call traced to that area.
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Were these timeline of events "verified by authorities"?
Or were they supplied by conversations between family and suspect?
Reason I ask...
people can "say" they're in one location on cell phone calls, but may be many miles away to throw off family, authorities, searchers.
Remember these predatory-types:
1)are transitory
2)play cat & mouse games with victim and later authorities
3)very methodical, going through their preplanned fantasies
4)very meticulous covering up their trail.
Knowing exact locations where these cell phone calls were made would narrow down the possibilities for searches.
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all the time lines were verified by family and friends...
as for the phone records.. they are based on cell phone GPS or towers per police...
as for the help thing.. we have reason to beleive now it was kids goofing off perhaps because they seen the helicopter... no proof, but that is what I understand. they are looking into it..
for those that want answers.. the police will not give out any info at all, not even to the family.. trying to prevent self investigation.. cops dont like people doing thier job ) or lack there of)
What I don’t here about is how his brother played into this. His brother lived with him and his girlfriend. So what info do we have on him? All I know he is not living there anymore. Where was he that night? Blood is thicker than water.
I feel bad that a young person is missing or dead. I hope you all find her and can put some of this to rest. But, please be careful not to make more victims in this. I have heard some of the awful things said about the people who happen to know John. Like his girlfriend. Why are people attacking her? She is a victim also. Girls make bad choices in men. Men like John prey on people. She is a victim also. She was sleeping next to a killer. She was cheated on. Now she is forced to live in solitude from threats. She is also a daughter, sister and mom. Let’s not make Johns cold heart take more that it already has.
In response to the timeline of
11:05am: Jonathan called Jackie’s voicemail from Dobson and Baseline area. Possibly to listen or erase messages."
Wouldn't he have to have her passcode to listen too and erase messages on her cellphone?
MY HUSBAND SEARCHED FOR JACKIE LAST WEEKEND OFF OF HWY 87. A FOREST RANGER SAID SHE SAW THIS RED FORD IN THE AREA SHORTLY BEFORE JACKIE WAS REPORTED MISSING AND THAT SHE HERSELF HAD RUN INTO THIS JOHN BURNS BEFORE AND HAD ASKED HIM TO LEAVE THE AREA BECAUSE HE WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE. HE GOT CONFRONTATIONAL WITH HER AND BECAUSE SHE WAS NOT ARMED SHE FELT THE NEED TO BACK OFF AND LET HIM BE. I THINK IF JOHN BURNS WAS INTOXICATED OR WHATEVER THAT NIGHT IT MAY HAVE IMPAIRED HIS JUDGEMENT AS TO HOW TO COMMIT THE PERFECT CRIME. I THINK THERE IS NO RIGHT OR WRONG PLACE TO SEARCH AND I DO BELIEVE EVERYONE OUT THERE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. TAKE SOME TIME AND HELP THIS FAMILY OUT WHETHER YOU KNOW THEM OR NOT. AFTER ALL TOMORROW YOU MAY DISCOVER YOUR LOVED ONE MISSING AND WOULD YOU NOT WANT ALL THE HELP YOU COULD GET IN FINDING HIM/HER? ENOUGH SAID --- PUT YOUR WALKING SHOES ON AND GO HELP SEARCH!
Regarding the comment about John's girlfriend Mandi Smith.
Is she innocent? Are you saying she didn't know John was a criminal, was he not seeing a Parole Officer since he had only been out of jail for 5 months??
Also, are you saying she didn't know he was a little off the wall or that he had a gun? which in turn he could not own since he was a felon?
I mean the stinky house and having to take 5 pit bulls out of the yard? And then Mandi goes with him to the gas station to meet Jackie's father? After he had just killed the women he was with the night before.
Read the news articles it's all there in print.
It does make you question her and whether she was a "victim".
Last but not least, has she (Mandi) tried to help Jackie's family, by answering any of there questions? She in hiding because of threats, can you even wrap your mind around what Jackie's family is going through?
I think the only person in this situation who isn’t a victim is John himself. I agree Mandi isn’t to blame. Who is anyone to judge her for how many dogs she had or didn’t have and I am sorry were you living in her home to testify to the fact that it was a mess?? It is true that it is all there in print, but you can’t believe everything you read because life just isn’t that simple. I wish it were, but it is not. I think this is wasted energy that is being focused on Mandi, after all she has nothing to do with it. All this energy can be better used to find Jackie and bring her home. I feel nothing, but sympathy for her family and hope that they can have peace, but for the sake of Mandi’s family please leave her name out of this.
My heart bleeds for Jackie and her family. Living in Australia makes one feel so damn useless because I can't even get out there and help to search.
I am sure it is mall comfort to you all but I am prying for Jackie and her entire family.
As for the girlfriend, she may know nothing, but I wouldn't bet on it. As for calling Jackie's voice mail, the default code for most anything is 123 and most people don't change it.
WHAT I KNOW TO BE TRUE IS THAT JONATHAN BURNS IS KNOWN TO HAVE PARTIED QUITE OFTEN IN THE SUNFLOWER AREA, THEREFORE THAT MAKES HIM NO STRANGER TO THE AREA. AND KEEP IN MIND THAT WHILE HE WAS WITH JACKIE THAT NIGHT IT WAS DARK. MY HUSBAND AND I ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO SEARCH THIS AREA THIS WEEKEND. OUR THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS ARE WITH HER FAMILY AND HOPE THAT JACKIE IS RETURNED HOME SOON. GOOD LUCK THIS WEEKEND TO ALL THOSE WHO ARE SEARCHING.
The website in case you missed it was finding Jackie Hartman.
Since you seem to know so much about Mandi and her family.
Why don't you help us answer some questions!
Ask her: Did she know he had a gun?
What Kind?
Why did she go to the gas station with him, after he had been out on a date with a another women?
What was her reaction when she knew Jackie was missing?
What are John's hobbies, we see he had a quad in his garage, were did he like to go with it?
Were was Mandi that night, and did she speak to John by cell phone?
What was the conversation?
Did he speak to his brother?
Were did he say he was the night?
Were was John's brother? Was he home the night Jackie went missing?
When he came home the next day, what was he like?
Did he do drugs,DRINK? What else?
Was there anything in John's truck when he came home?
How did John and Mandi meet since he had only been out of prison for 5 months tops! And did she go with him to see his parole officer?
Did she know that felons are not to do drugs or own a fire arms?
It said he tried checking her messages, (police tracked)
when he got back into Tempe.
Ask Mandi did he bring a new cell phone home?
Did Mandi's brother know John?
Maybe we could get more details.
So, for the comment left about for the "sake of Mandi Smiths family leave her out of it"
As far as I am concearned if you knew or LIVED with John you are a lead.
And "ANY" information can help bring Jackie home.
VERY WELL PUT! THERE ARE ALOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS BUT THEY ARE MEANT TO BE UNANSWERED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. I AM SURE THESE QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED PUBLICALLY WHEN JACKIE IS FOUND AND AFTER THE COURT SYSTEM IS DONE WITH THIS CASE. IN THE MEANTIME WE NEED NOT ASK WHY THIS HAPPENED NOR WHO KNOWS WHAT...WE JUST NEED TO FIND JACKIE AND GIVE THIS POOR FAMILY CLOSURE.
You are missing the point, we need to need to collect any and all information from all potential
resources.
In order not to solve the case, nor to find out how or why; but in order to have the smallest lead that could come in to FIND HER.
Of course the Gilbert Police Department can not give information to protect the intergity of the case. But for those of us searching any information could help us find her the better.
5:30pm: Dave talked to Jonathan at Diamond Shamrock. Jonathan’s girlfriend (Mandi Smith) was there. Jonathan was wearing same clothes as night before, according to him & his girlfriend.
Mabe istead of of threatening her and scaring Mandi, she might not be so scared to try to help. Yes she made a bad choice in her boyfriend. But, so do so many women. Mabe reach out to her and do it in a civil way. Imagine be linked to a murder, finding out your fiance was cheating on you, and being attacked overnight. It would scare anyone. If she knew anything she would say. Beacuse, she hates the fact that a girl is missing. She is also a mother. She crys for Jackie. But no matter what to a lot of people she is a piece of shit. Come on and think like christians. And see her for what she realy is. A victim also. Maby approach her in a non threating way and she can help. GOD do it for Jackie's sake. Dont let the witch hunt scare the most imporatant reasourse you have. Befriend her, don,t chasties her.
Has Mandi ended her relationship with Jonathan because I'm hearing she's a regular visitor of his in jail? IMHO, leave no stone unturned. Mandi and Jonathan's brother should feel as much if not more heat than Jonathan to determine whether or not they helped in anyway. Stop hiding in the shadows trying to slink away from this. Tell us what you know. If that truly is nothing, then you have nothing to fear. Until that time, I do not feel sorry for anyone in this case BUT the Hartman family and of course Jackie.
If ever there was a case where you could justify torture or whatever it takes to get a suspect to talk this is it. The police should do "WHATEVER" they have to do in order to get that piece of s**t to talk and come clean. A career criminal like him should have NO rights at all!!!!
May God bless Jackie and her family.
Wow, a regular visitor to his jail?
You apparently know Mandi well, if you know what she thinks and feels!!!!
She has nothing to fear, if she wanted to help then
she would help; not hide!
If she is a “Mother” Can she even wrap her mind around losing a child in the manner.
You would think she would do "anything" and "everything" to help!
I would think if she didn’t have any involvement she would come forward to tell us what she knows to help the search!
JONATHAN PLEADS NOT GUILTY TODAY.........AND I AM THE FATHER OF ANNA NICOLES' BABY. GIVE US A BREAK!
I am a 60 yr old female with heart desease , so I cant help in the search for Jackie but I would like the hartman family to know my thoughts and prayers are with her and her family
On behalf of the Hartman family, I want to thank all of you for ensuring they know that they continue to be in your thoughts and prayers. For those of you that have donated time or other resources, we thank you!
I HOPE TO BE OUT ON THE SEARCH ON SUNDAY. THERE IS CERTAIN INFO THAT THE POLICE CAN AND SHOULD BE ABLE TO RELEASE TO HELP AID IN THE SEARCH EFFORTS, SUCH AS: TYPE OF CIGARETTES JONATHAN SMOKES WHAT KIND OF CHEWING GUM DOES HE CHEW IF ANY AND A PICTURE OF THE TIRE PRINTS WE MAY BE LOOKING FOR. SOME THINGS SUCH AS CIGARETTE BUTTS DO NOT DISINTEGRATE FOR YEARS.
To the person who posted the comment on 2/15 @ 2:11 p.m., what area did this forest ranger run Jonathan away from?
Has Mandi taken a lie detector test? I would think that she would also be a suspect. Could she have committed the murder or has she been ruled out?
Re: Ms. Mandi Smith,
I am sure "Mandi" and Mandi’s friends/family and even brother could tell us a lot of things to help aid in the search!!
She can even post information to the website to help.
Mandi Smith, Mandi’s Brother or Mandi girlfriends can even answer the questions that I had posted above on: February 16, 2007 8:58 AM
But apparently she must still have ties to Jonathan. She must be a real piece of work.!!
As for Jonathan's brother, I sure that he is not talking!
Not to mention his brother also has a "fiancé", were the hell is she in all of this, and what is her name?
If anyone has information or worked with John knows his family, or was a friend; went out on ATV’s with him, or spent anytime on the weekends with him. Please post and let us know!!! Also anyone that works with Mandi, and knows information; She may have mentioned places that her and her boyfriend/fiancé Johnathan went too! Let us know.
Same goes for Johnathan's Brother, do his friends have any information.
There are a lot of people that could be helping!
SO MANDI, AS YOU AND YOUR FRIENDS KEEP PEEKING AT THIS WEBSITE, START TYPING!
Were is Mandi’s parents in all of this! Let’s get them on camera for an interview.
As I said before the very smallest lead could take us to Jackie.
To the Hartman’s, You Are In My Thought’s And Prayers Each And Every Minute Of The Day.
Could someone from the family or Kelly, Dianne or Gary revise the time line? There are many unanswered questions, which could provide the searchers with clues.
1. When Randi dropped Jackie off at the Diamond Shamrock, was Burns there? What happened between 2:00 and 3:30. It sounds like Jackie didn’t meet Burns, which is why she called Randi to pick her up.
2. It is ironic that 5 minutes after Jackie called Randi that Burns called Jackie on her cell.
3. What did Jackie and Randi talk about at 3:36 am? Any clues? Did she say where they were going?
4. Did anyone see Jackie and Burns ant the Lazy Q?
5. Where is the San Tan Parkway? Did the police verify their location based on the cell towers? THIS COULD BE CRITICAL!!! It could give a clue as to the location of Jackie. They said they would be “back in 15 minutes” – back where? To Jackie’s house or to the gas station?
6. How is it that Randi had Burn’s cell number?
7. Where was Randi between 4:44 am and 12:00pm?
8. The note at 5:30 says that according to Jonathan, he was wearing the same clothes as the night before. That in itself is suspicious. What an odd thing to volunteer. It also is odd that Mandi Smith was with him when he went to meet Dave.
9. I would be very curious as to what Mandi Smith has to say. One would think that if her ‘boyfriend’ stated that he had sex with Jackie that she wouldn’t be too happy about that. Maybe she could cave in and give some information. Furthermore, has Mandi helped in the search for Jackie? One would think that if she believed her ‘boyfriend’ is innocent then one would think that she would do whatever it took to clear him.
I am praying for the family and all the searchers.
We need as previous post above to have anyone, friends, family, co-workers of Mandi's, Jonathan, Mandi's Brother, to post anything that they know about Jonathan or Mandi. Places he like to go, what he did on the weekends, as my above post stated on February 17, 2007 10:27 AM. This would give all of us more insight on his habits, places they would go either Mandi or Jonathan. If ANYONE could post anything they know about these two, or locations we should check out would help in the aid of finding Jackie.
AS FAR AS MANDI SMITH, MANDI'S BROTHER, JONATHAN BROTHER:Daniel Raymond Barnett, OR JONATHAN'S BROTHER GIRLFRIEND ARE CONCEARNED. THEY NEED TO BE PRESSURED BY ANYONE AND EVERYONE THEY KNOW OR WORK FOR!
I BELIEVE WHEN THE RATS FEAL THE HEAT/FIRE THEY START TO SQUEAL!!!
The family and friends of the Hartman's appreciate the love, support, prayers, and assistance you have all lent over the last month. It's disturbing to see some of the comments being posted to this space take on a life and attitude that's anything but to remember (or find) Jackie. Please, let's remember the purpose of this site. We were all interested in the same end goal: finding Jackie. And, now, remembering her. Any comment posted to this site that's in any vain other than for Jackie, will be removed. Thank you.
My thoughts and prayers are with the family and friends of Jackie. I worked with Jackie at the hosptial...although I did not know her that well...Jackie's story has affected all of us. It is heart breaking to think about the last moments of her life and what she went through. It is very comforting to know that she has been found and will be laid to rest peacefully by her family. May her family find comfort in the hard months to come. God bless you all.
Our thoughts & prayers are with the family during this time of grief. We hope that they put ALL the people responsible for this horrible crime away for good. Even those who didn't commit the murder but knew info & didn't do anything about it.
I know this website is to remember your beloved daughter. But I'm sorry Ms. Mandy is a blind women and could not see what was standing right before her. She is NOT A VICTIM. Not by far! And I could not read that News Article and believe what Ms. Gina Meyer said. Gee, and these people are raising children. SCARY!
Not only did Mandy get what she deserved, but she got off easy!
She needs to take some time in jail and re-think her life. Cause Jonathan - this monster, could have very easily killed her daughter.
I'm very sorry as I know this blog is to remember and represent Jackie!
But I guess we need a blog to voice the injustice!
Hartman’s may God comfort you in these times.
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